There will be a free seminar with case studies/ award winners
http://elearning.e-skills.com/article/2008/01/10/meet-award-winners-learning-technologies/
Based on report last year "Towards Maturity", how e-learning is established in organisations. My impression last year was that "leadership" was rarely crucial. Things start at some middle level or because of technology most...

I have done a draft version of a story for OhmyNews
http://learn9log.blogspot.com/2008/02/learning-technologies-draft-this-is.html
Comments and quotes could fit in the middle of this. My impression is that the current online discussion about social networks has not been much connected with academic work on network learning. I can only find text with a time gap of several years.

I wasn't able to get into the event, so have had to rely on the files on this site to get a flavour of the discussions, but one thing that worries me is the tendency to present leadership & management as dichotomous, rather than (as I would argue) different aspects of the same function. In looking at 'new' versus 'old' economy (and that's another thesis I would question - to see manufacturing as...

Given the massive interest in the subject of "changing forms" as indicated by the workshop (although not on this website appatrently!), it is probably that there would be support for a continuing "search project" as long as we use the right medium to reach each other.  (Maybe this is some sort of e-mail round with periodic loadings on to the website?).

 

The topic which...

Networks sounds like a useful topic.
I think the design of websites is relevant. There is some theory about this from the study of network learning but I have lost track of how this relates to practice.
http://csalt.lancs.ac.uk/esrc/manifesto.htm
I am trying to update a text about how web developments fit with other ideas. There is a Google Doc version
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ah78wfp3rm6x_113df2hr3...

Hello Will - I've had a look at some of the documents you'velinked - interesting. Can you say a bit more about what in particular you are trying to point at? I'd be interested to follow it  a bit further.

Chris, the Google doc is trying to link things together at the moment. I will try another version later.
I showed a link to the Manifesto on Networked Learning as I have lost track of what happened to this idea. What was learning technology became learning theory and very abstract at that. This is just my impression. Further comment welcomed. I may be completely wrong about this. But if the 'learning...

Will

 

Not sure I'm getting your full meaning (and I'm finding the whole discussion in this medium hard) but just responding that I think the learning organisation is around again, but requires significant re-invention.  What & how escapes me at the moment, and networks seem to be the best lead.

 

All the best

 

Mike

Mike - thanks for this entry - it's very interesting.

 

I think my interest overlap with yours - particularly the obvious gap between design and practical implementation of networks. For me the dissonance between 'design' and 'networking' ('in practice' - perhaps there's no such thing as a network in theory!) is evident pretty much everywhere in public service.

 

'Designing networks'...

I think there is a big distinction between management of networks and managing by networks

 

networks are naturally ocurring forms of ordering but as soon as we try to engineer them things often go wrong.

 

It's bit like Lave and Venger discovering communities of practice and situated learning - Jean Lave describes them as an anthrapologst but Etienne Venger goes on to try to engineer...

Chris & John

 

Getting back to this after a delay and picking up Chris' take on "design" and John's on "managing networks" (viewpoints that seem to be related?)

 

[I'm finding having a discussion in this way hard - I don't feel free to do what I would like to do which is to ask you both to expand so that I can understand better.  Also I'm afraid that if I...

Mike, John

 

I take your point Mike - there are so many subordinate clauses, elisions and expansions necesseary that a face to face seems necessary - so I'm up for that.

 

As to whether either/or networks are hierarchies are more naturally occuring - seems to me they are as much naturally occuring as each other - but useful in different contexts [which are changing and blurring]. I find...

Don't get me wrong. I really like this site. It shows a significant effort to communicate what happened to people who could not be there on the day.
But I think the design may inhibit contributions. Maybe it is just me but I can't see where to add a comment to the blog. Not a problem if there is a topic on the forum.
Is anyone on Facebook? Should we start a group? My guess is that this would...

Hi Will and thanks for your comments. Actually there is no way for you to add to John's blog - it was really intended as a place where John could make seminal announcements about the progress of the research or maybe invite some provocative input etc. It was always thought that the interaction would take place here in the discussion forum - as you have done. We could put a summary version of this froum...

Will

 

Have made an effort to contribute today.  I also tried to do this a day or two ago but somehow I didn't manage to post it!

 

Cheers

 

Mike

This morning I checked the number of people who have switched on email alerts for contributions to this forum. Only 6 people from a possible 40 have switched them on. Unfortunately the default for SharePoint is that alerts are switched OFF. They cannot be switched on centrally - only individually.

 

We could do an email round inviting people to switch them on - with a link taking them to the...

I have done a report on Wikia Search for OhmyNews
http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?article_class=4&no=381417&rel_no=1
This could be an example of Web 2 activity. So far the content on Wikia Search is not very good. But there is space for a short bit of text on each search term. For example organisation, learning, learning organisation, quality, whatever. And each...

Not sure where this fits. There is a workshop coming up on doucumentation in the context of protection. I think this could be relevant for any form of assurance.
http://safeliving.wordpress.com/workshop-5
I am putting comments into the blog. S search engine is a form of documentation and could be both dangerous and useful.

I may have made a mistake in copying from this forum and putting it into the CQI site. A question has been asked whether I have permission or what the copyright is.
My aim was to encourage more people to look at this site. I find the structure of messages hard to navigate so copied all the thread about quality into one text.
Apologies if this is not within the scope of what is allowed.
I could...

Hello Will - well it's a good question and one which a collaborative enquiry community ought to grapple with. It seems to me (can speak only for myself) that we want to encourage engagement so what you have done makes sense. I can see 2 possible areas for a more restrictive view:-

fine by me for anything I have written - I guess the general discussion is not copyright unless anyone specifically says so.

 

for the material from the speakers it would be appropirate to ask them

 

regards

 

John

Optimistic and pessimistic views?

 

I wrote this in my blogg on the homepage:

 

'listening to the recordings it seems to me that Will Hutton was taking a relatively optimistic view of the future, re the success of the knowledge economy, but with a major sting in the tail about the environment

wheras Steve Ackroyd was taking more pessimisitc one, with senior managers and leaders becoming...

It seems to me that academics are more likely to take a pessimistic view as "critique" is part of the role.

 

So far Leadership has had a fairly charmed life so far as I can tell. For academic discussion, quality did not recover as a topic after Making Quality Critical: New Perspectives on Organizational Change , Wilkinson and Wilmott  1995.

 

Has there been any equivalent...

Welcome

 

Welcome to anyone joining the discussion space - tell us who you are, what you do, and what your interest in this topic is

 

regards

 

John

Introducing myself...

 

I used to work as a Quality Manager on an ISO 9000 system so became interested in how people learn from such situations. Or not, of course.

 

Currently I mostly work with web sites and PDF as a link back to print.

 

I maintain a website on "learning with ISO 9000"

 

Blog at

 

The 'wall' and the propositions

 

I intend to put up some material for discussion soon around these - in the meantime if anyone has any thoughts on these, see stuff on the main site, I would be interested

 

John Burgoyne

 

The propositions and querstions

 

During the event there were two major participative processes, the 'wall' and the propositions.

 

The first was a sharing of observations on what is going on, the second, a series of questions and propositions around leadership and leadership development. 

 

You can see photos of the output of each on the main site, but I am putting a typed...

I have attached a file on Language Processing, as presented by Terry Rose at a recent meeting of the Deming SIG at the CQI. The approach was developed by Shoji Sheba.
Language Processing is intended to make sense of the kind of data you have in the word photographs. So the PDF is worth a look. It looks like some of the same process will happen anyway.
Whoops, attachments not supported in Firefox....

another attempt to attach a file

 

seems to work with the correct Microsoft product

 

tempted to go off topic.....

 

If you missed the previous message, Language Processing could be useful for looking at the wall etc.

I am interested in relating ideas about quality and learning organisations so welcome the return of learning organisations as a topic. I have put in a link to the Deming group of the Chartered Quality Institute. I think there is an overlap in concerns so hope people will have a look. Not much there at present but other links should follow.
John Burgoyne mentions "total quality" as "one...

Will

 

When we were doing the Learning Company book in the late 1980's - Deming - through Tom - was a key reference.  I thought Deming had a lot in common with Revans (Same era, scientific background then a move towards human factors as makign the biggest difference, a tendency to iconoclasm etc). 

Deming's emphasis on studying the system, although seemingly rather narrow or technical...

Hi Mike and Will - having managed to compose and post an item here referring to Deming, over an extremely slow and erratic web-connection, I then notice/discover your item Mike!

 

Yes indeed I share your view that it is time to move away from the excessively individualistic focus of "management learning".

 

This may be a challenge to academics and authors (and I see myself as...

As always I guess "it depends what you mean by...." in this case "...total quality". I think most "qulaity" work has been very "engineering" and systems oriented. However I do think that Deming  - who rarely used the term "quality" but referred to "reducing variation" - opened it up to look at learning in a broad sense - he stressed ...

I am really encouraged to find such response so soon. The wonders of the bulletin board.
I used the words "total quality" as this was mentioned by John Burgoyne. Anything connected with quality is enough to make a connection. I have heard that Deming avoided the "total quality" term.
My impression is that Deming ideas have not really been tried yet in US / UK. With Juran...

I have heard Ketih Grint argue that organisation change recipies tend to be in a perpetual pendulum swing between scientific managment and human relations.

 

Learning Company was taken as a human relations approach (though we did not necessarily intend it to be).  Knowledge managment started as scientific managent (then discovered the need to deal with soft, social and tacit knowlege by...

Yes, this is convincing as an explanation of how some discussions are divided.
Quality endures as a topic partly because of conformance requirements. This puts a lot of people off but is not the full extent of what is going on.
I know there are at least a couple of people from the Deming SIG who have had a look at this site so I hope more dialogue will follow.

My apologies I posted a news item before I found the discussion forum. As Will Pollard posted I found this board from a link on the CQI site.
The standard guidance we are developing is about people aspects of quality but includes aspects of leadership, organization and communication. I hope to pick up some ideas form the board and this forum that I can take to the working group to help develop...

Thanks Paul - that sounds as though it could be rather interesting.

 

I would be keen to explore an approach that brought together "systematic" approaches to improving quality with relational practice. The latter is not particularly about maintaining good/friendly relationships but looks at ways of engaging with various stakeholders in a project or venture. This requires  that...

Thanks for your post, Tom. I am attaching my pre meeting input for review and comments by ESRC members. I would welcome any suggestions as to what the guidance should contain and how it should work.

 

One thing I apologize in advance for is there is another column (first one) that contains the clauses of ISO 9001 - I could not post this for copyright reasons. Column 2 has a reference to the...

Tom. Thanks again for your post. The meeting in Brazil was definitely looking to take the relational approach as well as including work environment, motivation (personal and group). The only problem is to identify a particular direction / structure for the guidance that all can buy into.
Any thoughts / ideas?

The Deming SIG meets next week. I can't be there but have amended a Google Doc on words that could relate to the discussion.
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ah78wfp3rm6x_100g48x98
The words I have picked out so far to represent this site are
learning organisation
leadership
individual leadership
organisation change and development initiatives
leadership as social capital
Please...

The Deming SIG at the CQI are continuing to work on a model of Sustainability. Meeting coming up in March.
link
There could be an overlap with this discussion.